Interview with the Authors Lindsay Hamilton and Nik Taylor
In 2013, Lindsay Hamilton and Nik Taylor published Animals at Work:
Identity, Politics, and Culture in Work with Animals in the
ASI-managed Brill Human-Animal Studies Book Series.
This volume applies a breadth of post-structural and post-humanist theories
to establish what happens when animal-agents are brought into human networks
and spaces of representation, and the artful ways in which they become
integral in shared human meaning-making. As part of our Interview with the
Author series, we sat down with Lindsay and Nik learn more about this
earlier and important work.
ASI: Why is Animals at Work important?
At the time we wrote this book, Nik’s field of Human-Animal Studies was well
established in Sociology and Sociology of Science, broadly speaking, but
virtually absent within studies of Organization, Work and Management,
Lindsay’s field. This book was the first major interdisciplinary work to
apply the knowledge and theory of Nik’s field to an ethnographic survey of
human-animal relations in commercial life, what became Lindsay’s field and
analytic centre-point for the next decade. It was among the first works to
argue explicitly that animals could be categorized as workers, and perhaps
the first to make such a claim within Organization Studies where the concept
remained quite alien – and indeed provocative – for several years
afterwards. In addition to this disciplinary advance, the book also felt
important from an ethical point of view – to document the various spaces
where humans and animals do work, to acknowledge that animals’ work is
important in and of itself, and that the human treatment of animals in
workspaces was/is complex.
ASI: How does the book relate to your background and general areas
of interest?
Nik had always been heavily invested in ethics and care literatures, seeking
to understand and sociologically unravel the long-standing and deeply
ingrained unequal power relations that infuse the interspecies relations of
everyday life. She had spent years researching animal shelters, for example,
the heart of her empirical efforts to unpick the ways that animals are
treated (and mistreated) and how this plays out in the manifold daily
interactions between different individuals. Here she focused on work
processes such as washing animal fur, scrubbing cages, and walking animals
outside. But she also examined the value judgements taken by shelter workers
of each other and of potential adopters. All sides of this work sparked
Lindsay’s interest, since it crossed over with aspects of her ethnographic
work on farm veterinary surgeons, a professional group that also
successfully negotiated the ‘dirty work’ of animal bodies, by-products and
farmyard muck to create high prestige identities, and social recognition
within agricultural communities. The overlap between in-depth empirical
enquiries in humans working with animals was the core of the shared project
the book embarked upon – the lighting of a ‘touchpaper’ of collaboration and
mutual understanding.
ASI: How is the work situated, and how does it advance debates,
within the field of Human-Animal Studies?
The work is situated firmly within the field of ethnographic investigation,
being a series of glimpses of different professional and occupational
interactions between humans and animals. We each conducted our own fieldwork
within our own selected contexts but together investigate the same problem –
power – through these differently refracted scenes of everyday life. The
varied chapters provoke questions about why people choose to work with
animals, how they see animals, what constitutes reward and enjoyment, and
where the issues lie for understanding the exploitation and utilization of
animals. Through various work settings, these complex issues are discussed
but not always resolved. For example, in narrating and describing human work
in the meat trade, we each had different experiences and ideas about how to
best interpret the field data. For Nik, reading through Lindsay’s detailed
fieldnotes, this was a highly confronting and challenging emotional
experience. For Lindsay, this was a slow and intriguing process of
sense-making as a result of embodied fieldwork. Lindsay’s conceptualization
of what was going on was shaped by Nik’s interpretation and this forged a
new reading of the value placed on animals within this complex commercial
chain. Conversations took place between us to bring together the
observational detail with the theorization of power and identity at work.
Compromises and shared judgements were explored over several months of
discourse. These experiences of joint authorship helped add nuance to the
book and reveal the different readings possible from everyday experiences.
Of course, the issue of how animals feature in research methods like
ethnography was something we both felt warranted more analysis and they
returned to methodology in their next projects.
ASI: What are some of the major messages in Animals at Work?
The focus on identity, both human and animal forms a core of the book. It
asks, what is it about certain occupational experiences and knowledges that
creates the grounds for particular relationships to emerge with other
species? How are these power-laden interactions cemented through the
routines and repetitions of work life? That identities are messy and complex
remains a focus throughout the text, despite the fact that different
professional groups are explored. Throughout the varied workplaces explored
is an analytic focus on ethics; the rights, experiences, practices, and
capacities of both humans and animals and, importantly, how they relate to
each other through these commercial settings. In the chapter on farm
veterinarians, for example, there is a focus on the importance of human
gender discourse (masculinity in particular), the valuation of physical and
‘dirty’ work, and the ways that animal bodies are moved and manipulated in
the pursuit of optimum production outputs. Alternatively, for the vets we
looked at, the connection between animal health and productivity is implicit
but for those readers taking a more explicitly critical view of this
relationship, it is possible to see vets as implicated in what some have
called the animal-industrial complex of agricultural supply and demand.
While the book doesn’t resolve any of the issues it raises regarding the
power humans hold over other animals, it does evoke and describe the scenes
where such issues play out. In so doing, it problematizes the relationships,
behaviors and decisions taken in the field while leaving readers to draw
their own conclusions.
ASI: Who is your intended audience? (Has your intended audience
changed at all since publication?)
This book was originally published with students of ethnography and
Human-Animal Studies in mind, but over time its main audience has actually
been other academic researchers. This has led us both to some new
collaborations and, particularly, a surging interest in Animal Organization
Studies, a new field within the discipline of Management and Business which
has emerged since 2016 and is now flourishing.
ASI: What were/are your goals of your research in terms of welfare
and positive policy change?
At the outset, it is perhaps fair to say that Nik was driving hardest on
informing social and policy change for animals – her lifelong passion for
advocacy and care runs through the text, as does her conviction that
‘visibilizing’ often hidden unequal power relations between humans and other
animals is a crucial part of animal advocacy and potential change. Lindsay,
meanwhile, became attuned to this agenda through the course of creating the
book and Nik’s strong values provoked her to take stock and ask herself
‘where are the animals in Management and Organization Studies?’ and ‘where
are the animals in ethnography?’ These provocations made it clear that
further work was vital – both in the methodological and theoretical
configuration of these areas of research. It was this joint realization that
actually led to our later focus on the methods used in animal studies, and
ultimately to our next co-authored book, Ethnography After Humanism: Power,
Politics and Method in Multi-Species Work (Palgrave, 2017).
ASI: Animals at Work was published in 2013, what changes have you
seen in the field and in the world in the past 11 years related to your
research?
It is exciting to see that the overlaps in our interests (ethnography,
organizations, methodology, unequal human-animal relationships) that brought
animals and work together has now resulted in a wealth of new research.
There have been special issues in Organization Studies devoted to
post-humanism and human-animal relations as well as new books and new
conference streams. This exciting surge of interest has resulted in the
increasing acceptance that one might study humans and animals together,
rather than discretely, and that there is an ethical imperative to include
animals in research even though they do not speak, make jokes or fill in
questionnaires! Scholars, including us, are increasingly arguing that
species does not need to be the barrier to inclusion that has kept animals
out of the social sciences at large; we need new animal-inclusive methods,
multispecies methods, and new forms of writing. It’s also exciting to see
that the idea of animal work has become increasingly interrogated from a
critical perspective with authors identifying the myriad ways animals work
with and for us. And that this work is usually unacknowledged and occurs for
the benefit of the humans, rarely the animals. This has led to the idea of
animal work being included in advocacy for other species and various
attempts to change policies to help protect animal workers around the globe.
ASI: What are you currently working on?
Lindsay is currently working on a project about the wellbeing and management
of water birds on the manicured grounds of a UK university where humans and
geese are often in contact. Lindsay is also working on the idea that the
ethics that have driven human-animal studies might also inform new
approaches to the vegetal kingdom, informing a potential plant turn that may
provoke questions about the valuation and appreciation of plants as actors
(rather than simply resources for commercial extraction).
Nik has an ongoing research project addressing working in the neoliberal
university including a specific interest in how academics might manage the
challenges of doing critical animal studies in a system that itself is
embroiled in animal oppression (see
Animal Studies Scholar Advocacy and
https://workinginthemodernuniversity.wordpress.com/). She is also part of a
collective working on a special edition of Aotearoa New Zealand Social Work
that considers social work and animals (due first half of 2025). Within this
her own focus is on the need for social work to embrace intersectional,
feminist arguments regarding the need to include animals in their analyses
of power and to consider species as a form of oppression. Finally, she is
just starting a project that returns to her first interest in animal studies
– animal sanctuaries – where she is considering the role sanctuaries have in
modelling alternative, non-hierarchical, human relations with other species.text
Nik Taylor, Ph.D (2000), Manchester Metropolitan University, is Senior
Lecturer in Sociology at Flinders University in South Australia. She has
published widely on human-animal relations, including Theorizing Animals
(Brill, 2011) and Animals, Humans and Society (Lantern, 2013).
Lindsay Hamilton, Ph.D (2009), Keele University, is Lecturer in Management
at Keele University in the United Kingdom. She is currently a co-editor of
the Sage journal, Ethnography and has published a range of ethnographic
articles on work and organization.
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