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Sin and the Fallenness of
Creation (Part 5)
A commentary by: Michael Shaw
We have two other passages we need to look at and once we do that, then we will be finished with the word "Fall" as Christians usually see it. The two passages are both found in the New Testament; one is in "Jude 6" and the other is in "2nd Peter" chapter 2 verse 4. Let's read them together, We will start with Jude 6 and I quote...."And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home - these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great day." and 2nd Peter chapter 2 verse 4..... "For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment.... etc".
When we look at these two passage Jude 6 and 2nd Peter 2:4, we must approach them with the same discerning mind that we used in looking at Luke 10:18, we must not allow the myths of man to influence our investigation.
For instance we must ask, who are these angels that left their positions of authority and abandoned their homes? Further, we must ask, where did they go and what was the reason for leaving their positions? And 3rdly we must ask ourselves if there are any clues to these questions to be found in the bible. In other words can we find a bible passage or story anywhere which might answer the questions we have posed?
Now before we address these 3 questions, let us first examine whether or not Jude 6 or 2nd Peter 2:4 are referring to Lucifer's fall and that of his loyal angel followers.
Well, in answer to that question, we notice from these two passages that there is no mention of either Satan's or Lucifer's name. If indeed these passages were meant to infer the Luciferian fall, certainly they would have contained at least one of these names. Yet, as we can see, neither of these two names is mentioned in these passages. Since neither Satan or Lucifer is mentioned in these passages, we cannot state with any certainty that these passages pertain to the Luciferian fall.
In the event that some would suggest that the lack of specifics, either the names Satan or Lucifer, not to mention the lack of any details regarding what the sin was that these angels did commit and further, in the event that some would suggest that this is simply an over sight by the writers of these passages and that indeed the intent was to refer to Lucifer's fall and expulsion from heaven, then I would suggest we look closer at the facts.
And the Facts are that.....Both these passages, Jude 6 and 2nd peter 2:4 tell about sinning angels... as 2nd Peter says "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned"... Further, these angels were locked up and bound in Hell, we see this when we continue to read in 2nd Peter 2;4 the following..... "but sent them to hell" ...and Jude 6 says... "these he kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains"
In order, the facts look like this... (1) Jude 6 and 2nd Peter 2;4 are talking about sinning angels. (2) These angels left there heavenly positions and sinned somewhere. Where and what the sin was we are not told - it is as if the writer is assuming that the reader is familiar with the story. Many today falsely assume the story in question is the fall of Lucifer as mentioned in Milton's paradise lost. (3) We are told by Jude and Peter, that these angels are now locked up in Hell, bound by everlasting chains until judgment day. (4) There is no mention that these angels get to leave hell at any time. In fact, as we just noted, the bible says they are locked up in hell until judgment day. (Remember Satan goes back and forth from heaven and earth. (5) There is no mention of either Lucifer or Satan in these two passages. (6) There is no mention that the sin committed by these angels is in anyway related to the Miltonian myth that Lucifer tried to over throw God's kingdom.
Now keep all these facts in mind as we proceed, and with these in mind let us return to the question I posed earlier. "Is there a Biblical Story or account of Angels Sinning, a story that might shed some light on these passages found in Jude and Peter?"
The answer is YES. The story is found way back in Genesis. Specifically Gen. 6:1-4. There is no dispute amongst legitimate theologians that the sons of God mentioned in Gen 6 are in fact angels of God. It is quite clear that these angels left their position in heaven to come to earth and have sex with human woman, in order to fulfill their lusts.
Further to this passage in Gen. is a quote from St. Paul in 1st Cor. Chapter 11 verse 10 it reads as follows, "for this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels" KJV......so there you have it, bible passages, from Gen. and 1 Cor., that help us understand the meaning behind the previous passages of Jude and 2nds Peter. Thus we have our proof that there were angels, according to the bible that did indeed fall, and therefore, we do not need to borrow from Milton or St Augustine a man made myth to fill in the gaps.
Jude and Peter are simply telling us that God has punished sinning angels by putting them in hell, along with others i.e. those from Sodom and Gomorra. Nothing, and I repeat nothing is these 2 passage of Peter and Jude, suggest the fictitious story of the fall of Lucifer into Satan.
OK we've found the sinning angels in the Gen 6 account. Now let us go back and compare the facts of these sinning angels with those of Satan and his followers.
Remember fact #1 The angels found in Jude 6 and 2nd Peter are sinners - and yes we would have to say that Satan is a sinner as well, for the Bible tells us such, however, that is where the similarities end.
Now in Facts 2 & 3 as we said before, the angels are locked up and bound in Hell until judgment day and that they are not said to be able to leave hell at any time nor are they said to be able to return. This is in contrast to what the Bible teaches as regarding Satan and his Demons. For if you recall we have already established that Satan travels back and forth from heaven to earth and that he walks to and fro all over the earth (Job 1:6&7) and (Zachariah 3:1&2) ...Further, we find that instead of being a bound angel in Hell, Satan is "The Ruler of this World" (John 12:31, 14:30 and 16:11) and that rather then being confined to a gloomy place Satan is the "Prince of the Powers of the Air" (Eph 2:2). Indeed, Satan is proclaimed by Holy Scripture to be the God of this world (2nd Cor. 4:4).
Far from being an impotent and pathetic angel in hell, Satan is still a mighty, yet Evil son of God. Satan fulfills his divine preordained mission to serve God as, Tester and Tempter (Matt 4:3) as Accuser (Rev. 12:10), and as the Destroyer (1st Cor.10:10).
YES, SATAN is the Prince of Demons, (Matt. 9:34 & 12:24). Great and mighty are his powers, and he must never be confused with the bound angels in hell. Rather, than being a bound angel in Hell, Satan prowls around like a Roaming Lion looking for someone to devour (1st Peter 5:8).
Remember I mentioned earlier that Satan actually works for God, 1st Tim 1:19 & 20 --- 1st Cor. 5:1-5. Check out these passages for yourself.
We also saw earlier that the Holy Spirit of God lead Jesus out to the wilderness to be tempted by God. If Satan is bound in Hell, how could he have done this.
Finally, consider this, how is it that Satan could offer Jesus all the kingdoms of earth, if they were not his to offer? How could Satan offer all this, if he was tied up in Hell?
You see as we already noted Satan is the God, Lord of the Earth. (2nd Cor.4:4 , John 12:31, 14:30 16:11).
I believe the evidence shows that Satan is not one of these bound angels in hell as mentioned in Jude and 2nd Peter. Lets move on to fact #5. Again as said before there is no mention in either Jude or Peter of the names Satan or Lucifer and therefore there is no reason to include Satan in with these sinful angel who are locked in hell.
Finally fact #6, there is no indication as to what the sin of the angels was and we can only assume that it is the sin of lust as mentioned in Gen 6 and 1st Cor.10:11. For we find nothing in these passages to support either a failed attempt at taking over God's heaven or disobedience to God by not bowing to Adam.
In conclusion, as said before - nowhere in your Bibles can the story of the fall of Lucifer be found. And why is that? Because the story is false. It is not Biblical. It never has been and it never will be.
End of part five. If anyone has questions, I will be glad to answer, but I am not
posting to argue.
Mike Shaw firstname.lastname@example.org
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