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Conversation With Martin - 2 September 2010

Dear Martin.
Read this and come back to me.

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In Jesus'
’Іησον̑s U χριστόѕ (Greek) Christ's name:
מוֹשׁיעֶ Hebrew - "Your Saviour" Isaiah 43:3
Bernard (Bernie) J. Coombs, ύε Australia. [email protected] 

Reply from Martin

Subject: God's promise - chapter 1.


Dig as deeply as you can on the names in the book of Philemon, noting also their order, and the meaning of any other words that occur to you from the book of Philemon. This is my latest on the animal Gospel subject, and it's likely to have some revision, unless Holy Spirit tells me to leave it as is and write something else 'cause I'm not sure about how crass I got in one part of it: http://www.martincisneros.com/articles/article/7429011/146659.htm 

I'll remind you of some of what I was sharing with you during the summer of '09 on MSN IM, it was either while we were on Yahoo or on MSN and maybe it'll give you a spring board for jumping into this subject on the animals with your concordances, lexicons, and anything else you've got 'cause I'm 100% certain that there's a connection to this whole Animal Gospel issue, that I'm not seeing yet, and whereas you're better on the word studies than I am and have likely picked up an etymological trick or two through the years with Tent and elsewhere, maybe you can show me something on this whole Animal Gospel issue that I haven't seen yet. This isn't what was specifically said during the summer of last year as we talked on this. I was sharing this with my pastors this morning, but I do remember sharing it with you and your giving me an initial meaning of the names in Philemon on the spot that I wish you'd take a deeper look at, specifically looking at this subject, even if it winds up being a type and shadow thing with the ordering of the events, since you're better at digging out types and shadows than I am:

The book of Philemon has a priestly duty associated with the most quoted verse that most people don't pay enough attention to when quoting a verse out of context. Goes back to what Kenneth Copeland has taught over the years on being partners in the Gospel. Not sure if they still make the audio message available "Partners in Power," but if you don't have a copy of that old cassette, I'd advise seeing if these days they've got that in CD, though with how short CDs are, they're liable to have it as a 2 CD set 'cause that was a particularly long one, but one of the absolute best hour and a halfs that I ever spent. Without getting into a full Philippians 1 sermon for context, Philemon verse 6 should be read with the understanding of verse 4:

I am thanking my God always...so that the fellowship of your faith may become operative in the realization of every good thing which is in us for Christ Jesus. (Philemon 1:4, 6)

There's a priestly role here regarding the continual giving of thanks for God's people that apparently a lot of people even in ministry have never noticed in Scripture, or weren't putting together why a regular theme of Paul's was "I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, always, including in every prayer of mine." That continual thanksgiving over them was the key to his God meeting their needs as they communicated with him in giving and receiving, because it's a fulfilling of the Deuteronomy 26 role of High Priest, since we're a royal priesthood, according to Peter. And then Paul expresses the same principle in 2Timothy 1 with regards to not being ashamed of the testimony of the Lord, nor of him, His prisoner, but to be a partaker with him in the afflictions of the Gospel according to the power of God, or being a partaker of what Jesus did for us on the cross, in other words. And quoting this from Young's:

4I give thanks to my God...6that the fellowship of thy faith may become working in the full knowledge of every good thing that [is] in you toward Christ Jesus;

And from Rotherham's, while I've got www.studylight.org open:

1:4 I am giving thanks unto my God - always, making mention, of thee, in my prayers,
1:5 Hearing of thy love, and of the faith which thou hast towards the Lord Jesus and towards all the saints, -
1:6 To the end that, the fellowship of thy faith, may become, energetic, by a personal knowledge of every good thing that is in us towards Christ;

He's giving thanks to the end that, the fellowship of they faith, may become, energetic, by a personal knowledge of every good thing that is in us towards Christ. I love that. Because we can do the same thing and get the same results. That anointing that he released through that kept growing and growing and growing the more he did that, until Church history says Onesimus was Bishop of Ephesus. Some scholars have even attributed the authorship of Ephesians to Onesimus, instead of to Paul. For some scholars, it's as debatable as how some of them will spend all day kicking around circumstantial evidence they bump into on authorship questions of the 4 Gospels. And they'll point out that it was a common thing for ancient people to write under the pen name of some one else, of some great hero, or whatever.

Many of the older manuscripts for Ephesians are missing the phrase "in Ephesus" in the very first verse, which has lead many to believe it was a circular letter distributed to a whole lot of congregations in that geographical region rather than being limited to Ephesus 'cause it cites fewer local congregation problems than others of Paul's epistles. Doesn't have that Q&A format that Romans and 1Corinthians have, for an epistle that goes so indepth. Whether or not Onesimus wrote Ephesians, which may still be open to debate, the fact that this letter both appealed for and got his emancipation and that that anointing kept working until he was a significant figure in the first couple of generations of Christianity is extremely important to God's glory and to seeing the fruit of this prayer, that the fellowship of their faith would become energetic!

Jesus said that if there's an issue between you and a brother, to take it to them, then if that didn't resolve it, then to get a couple of other brothers and go talk to them, then to tell the whole Church. Paul sidesteps all of that protocol, considering this to be sooooo important that Paul and 6 of his disciples compose this letter, or Paul writes it as a sum of what they've been praying about, as verse 1 and verses 22 and 23 would attest on how many of them were ganging up on that Church of Colosse over Onesimus. The Word was evidently growing very very powerfully in Onesimus and Paul says something about him that he never says about Timothy, Titus, or anyone else: verse 17: if then you count me a partner in the Gospel, Philemon, receive him as you would receive me!

No longer as a slave, but as a beloved brother, especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord -- which is a bit more advanced of a level than either the carnal person whose mind is on the things of the world, or the spiritual adolescent of Corinth where in 2Corinthians 5:16 they'd regard no one according to the flesh, not even Christ. But here in Philemon, you've got a reference to a full grown son in Christ with it saying they're regarding someone both in the flesh and in the Lord. In verses 21 and 22, Paul's expressing his bountiful expectation of being released from prison through the prayers of that Colossian Church and knowing their obedience in the Lord, he knows they'll send Onesimus back to him to work with him in ministry and to accompany him back to that Colossian Church when Paul's freedom comes about. Verses 13 and 14 go into Paul's desire to keep this new protege with him, but was leaning on Philemon in front of the whole Church, first, for Onesimus's freedom.

This epistle of Philemon is soooo pregnant with revelation and all kinds of connections with the parables and precepts of Jesus, that I really want to encourage you to meditate in the entirety of this epistle. It's the strong meat of the Church, that even most faith people don't know a tenth of the depth of. I've sat down with the book of Philemon, alone, and read it aloud for hours and hours and hours from start to finish, start to finish, start to finish, start to finish, and never cease to be amazed at how the sixth or seventh thousandth time is infinitely more fruitful to my understanding than the couple hundredth reading of it. Paul's epistles close with a bang on the issue of liberty in Christ, freedom from slavery, and obedience and partnership in the Gospel, as well as how anyone that's in Christ is a new Creation.


Reply from Bernie

Dear Martin.

Really good stuff.

Why don't you go to http://www.all-creatures.org/ach  and read all 200 pages of it.

It spans from Eternity past to Eternity future, and I'm sure will contain some Holy Spirit given revelations that you have not encompassed yet. The book took me well over twenty years to write. GO FIRST TO CHAPTER 4 WHERE YOU WILL SEE THE MOST AMAZING PHOTOGRAPH EVER TAKEN - IT WAS TAKEN BY ME WAY BACK IN 1968.

Make sure you enlarge it. It has been published by Biblio Books in Israel, and if you would like a free copy - just send me your address. It will take at least a week to get there as I live in Australia.

In Jesus' name;


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