Jordi Casamitjana, League Against
Cruel Sports
June 2017
The pro-fox hunt propaganda has never been weaker, and this will help us to keep the ban.
As Head of Policy and Research of the League Against Cruel Sports I wanted to write a reply not just answering his questions but also exposing his lies. I am a Zoologist and have been studying hunting for over 10 years, which must make me somehow a bit of an expert on this issue. Here are his key points, and my responses.
On the 3rd June 2017, James Barrington, a consultant to the Countryside
Alliance, Council of Hunting Associations and the All Party Parliamentary
Middle Way Group, wrote an article in the Conservativehome.com website
titled 'Why advocates of the Hunting Act are running scared of repeal'.
Being essentially the propagandist-in-chief of the pro-hunt lobby, his
article is full of misinformation, false logic and errors, which may well be
deliberate – well, that is what propaganda is all about, is it not? (It
would also be a little less sad if he finally stopped referring to himself
as a former Executive Director of the League. Jim, it was 20 odd years ago).
But he also asks a series of questions of the anti-hunting side. As Head of
Policy and Research of the League Against Cruel Sports I wanted to write a
reply not just answering his questions but also exposing his lies. I am a
Zoologist and have been studying hunting for over 10 years, which must make
me somehow a bit of an expert on this issue. Here are his key points, and my
responses.
"Why would such a unique method of 'control' such as hunting be
banned, other than through ignorance or prejudice?"
Because its uniqueness resides in its unprecedented cruelty, the deception
that surrounds it, its inefficiency and the damage that it causes to the
countryside.
We should not forget how much havoc hunts cause to people, land and animals
that encounter them. Every year there are multiple reports of trespass,
damage, pets being killed, people being intimidated or assaulted, laws being
broken, accidents being caused, etc.
Hunts cause destruction where they are. That is their uniqueness. It is
fairness and knowledge which dictates this judgement and fortunately most
people share it now because the hunting lies no longer stand up to scrutiny.
British society has grown away from hunting, and this is a good thing.
"Ask anyone who supports the Hunting Act what effect this
legislation has had on wildlife and you will be hard pushed to get a
sensible answer”.
I can give a straight sensible and informed answer: after studying the issue
in detail and making lots of calculations with available data I estimate
that over 100,000 animals have been helped by the Hunting Act (by preventing
hunts disturbing them, chasing them or killing them with dogs). Which other
legislation enacted in the last 12 years has had a better impact on
wildlife?
I don't think we could give a more precise direct answer to the question,
despite Mr Barrington’s claims that we only answer questions like his with
vague ethical positions and unreliable opinion polls.
“Do anti-hunt organisations understand that hunting doesn’t
exist in isolation and that something else will take its place?”
We understand that if you are obsessed with killing animals and a method you
were using is now banned, you may easily use another method. But if any such
method causes animal suffering they should all be banned, and this is why
the League is also trying to ban snares, and put them in the same list of
banned methods as poisoning or hunting with dogs.
If people are determined to break the law by continuing to kill animals,
banning alone may not solve the problem, and education may be needed. I
would recommend to Mr Barrington that if he wants to help to solve this
problem he could try to persuade his employers about the value of “doing
nothing” to allow nature to solve them (see below). I understand this may be
a challenge as he is no longer involved in animal welfare, but I am sure he
could manage.
He asks “Do they think the remaining methods are more humane?” Most of the
non-lethal methods certainly are more humane, but most of the lethal methods
certainly are not. From all the methods available everywhere in the world, I
am convinced hunting with dogs as it is practiced in the UK is one of the
least humane, so the day the hunting bans started was a day the entire
nation progressed and became more civilised.
"The manifesto pledge to offer a free vote on repeal of the
Hunting Act is [an opportunity to examine how this law is working]" rather
than an intention to get rid of the ban.
Really? Are we to believe that the 2010 manifesto commitment that stated
“The Hunting Act has proved unworkable. A Conservative government will give
Parliament the opportunity to repeal the Hunting Act on a free vote, with a
government bill in government time” is not the same commitment given in the
2017 manifesto? Isn’t this just an “indirect” way to say the same thing? Are
we to believe that the proposed vote now includes the strengthening of the
Act rather than its repeal? Come on Mr Barrington, people are not stupid.
Let’s be honest here – if the Hunting Act it is repealed, weakened or
replaced by a “middle way” weaker law, it is unlikely it will help any
animals at all.
The Hunting Act has helped many animals and it will help many more. In fact,
I estimated that as an average every year the Act helps about 4,300 foxes,
5,700 hares, 80 deer, and 500 mink.
And what has happened to all these animals? Most, even those the Act did
help one day, have still ended up being killed by hunts hunting illegally
another day, or by other inhumane methods such as snares or shot by
non-proficient shooters. But this is not because the Hunting Act failed, but
because the organisations Mr Barrington represents support all these
activities and help those who undertake them illegally to avoid justice.
They call their obsession for killing animals “wildlife management”. All
these forms of killing animals existed before the ban and there is no
evidence that they are being used more since the ban. But before the ban
hunts did not need to pretend that they were doing anything else other than
having fun with a country pursuit. Only now they have to find other
politically correct ways to “sell” their bloody pastime. So it is ironic
that they want to defend hunting by stating that there are other worse
methods of killing wildlife, while they use the same argument to defend such
methods when attempts have been made to ban them.
Mr Barrington, are you breaking ranks with your employers by saying that
snaring and lamping, for instance, should be banned instead of hunting with
dogs? Of course not! You are just being contradictory and deceitful!
"Hunting is required for wildlife management to keep fox numbers down."
Hunting has never been about pest control. It has always been a cruel
sport that is practiced for fun and tradition, not to control foxes, hares,
otters, mink or deer.
The “wildlife management” excuse is only a PR response to the threat of a
ban. Remember that before and after the ban hunts have been caught on
multiple occasions breeding foxes for release, if the area they plan to go
hunting doesn’t have many. There is plenty of evidence of the “artificial
earths” the hunts use for this purpose, which is irrefutable proof that what
they want is to chase foxes, not to control them.
Therefore, the people who were killing foxes supposedly to control their
population or to deal with problematic individuals have done it in the same
way before and after the ban, in the same numbers. The fox population has
never been out of control. It mostly self-regulates, so it is kept more or
less stable if the space and food availability does not change. It is
certainly not growing to justify any calls of “something needing to be
done”. If anything, research has shown that in fact the population has
decreased slightly in the last few years.
“Where is the scientific evidence that underpins a hunting ban?”
You will find it in many of the submissions to the Burns inquiry (Committee
of Inquiry into Hunting with Dogs in England and Wales), set up by the
government in 2000, precisely to gather data, arguments and evidence for the
hunting debate that led to the ban, but also you will find it in any
university that has researchers who study any of the animals that are
hunted.
During the hunting debate one of the strongest scientific research papers
available that proved wildlife chased during hunting with hounds suffer, was
produced by Professor Patrick Bateson and colleagues. After the ban,
Professor Stephen Harris from Bristol University has done lots of research
on foxes which shows that the ban was indeed a good idea.
“The selective ability of scenting hounds to find the quarry
animal and the chase, the natural way of removing the old, weak, diseased
and sick animals, fits perfectly into that process [wildlife management]”.
This is completely false. Hounds do not go for the weak or old. They just
follow the scent of any fox, regardless of its condition, but the ill and
old are unlikely to be out during the day (foxes are nocturnal) or bolt out
of a den under pressure, so in reality the hounds end up chasing the
healthier foxes, which is what the hunt wants as the fun in hunting is in
long chases. Remember that if a fox goes to ground early in the chase the
correct 'hunting procedure' is not to dig it out to be killed, but to bolt
it out so the chase can continue.
And remember cub hunting (also known as cubbing or “autumm hunting”). This
is what hunts do in autumn to train their hounds to kill foxes. They go to
areas where they know fox cubs are, they surround them so they cannot
escape, and then they send the pack of hounds in to kill them. These are
“cubs”, not old foxes. Because this practice makes it more unlikely the cubs
can escape, and all hounds are used in cubbing every year (as it is a way to
test them), in fact an individual hound in a pack is more likely to have
killed more young foxes than old ones.
"People know little about dogs, even less about hunting and
probably couldn’t care less about the consequences of a hunting ban”.
As polls constantly show, most people are opposed to hunting everywhere in
the UK, both in rural and urban areas, and very few people answer questions
about hunting with an “I don’t know”. This does not support this weak
“only-we-know-about-hunting-and-you-lot-know-nothing” argument.
I would dare say that never in the history of the UK have more British
people had as much knowledge about what happens in hunting with dogs than
today. A huge increase in footage of the hunts’ activities have now allowed
people to see what hunts actually do, rather than what they claim to do.
And one of the things they do is killing animals in a brutal way. It is
interesting that Mr Barrington does finally admit that, in hunting, hounds
do tear apart a live fox, as this is the brutal image the hunting lobby has
often tried to suppress.
The Hunting Act did not criminalise the hounds, but those who control them
and do not stop them chasing and/or killing wild mammals. The hunters are
responsible for the hounds, so if you want hunting to happen, ultimately you
want hounds to tear foxes, hares and mink apart. That is the bloody reality
the general public already knows about hunting.
“Anti-hunting groups have convinced themselves and many others
that the use of dogs is always inherently cruel.”
Of course he is also completely wrong here too. Using dogs as companion
animals is something that most anti-hunt groups support, and rescuing dogs
from abuse or neglect to be re-homed is a very important part of the animal
protection movement. What is inherently cruel is chasing an animal (that
does not need to be killed) for a long time before it is killed.
Other 'sports' involving the death of animals, such as trophy hunting,
shooting etc are focussed on the kill (which is a whole other story). In
hunting, the focus is on the long chase and the cruelty is irrespective of
how the animal is killed in the end. Then if you add to the animal’s ordeal
“death by being ripped apart by dogs”, then it is not surprising how
foxhunting has become synonymous with “cruel sport”. Deliberately inflicting
suffering for fun is indeed inherently cruel.
“The real irony here is that if wild animal welfare has indeed
been improved, as we are constantly told, it shouldn’t be beyond the wit of
those opposed to hunting to present that evidence to Parliament”.
It is certainly not beyond our wit to present evidence to Parliament of how
the hunting fraternity has defied Parliaments’ will by sabotaging the
Hunting Act and making its enforcement as difficult as possible.
When the time comes we will of course produce a great deal evidence to
support the strengthening of the legislation in England and Wales, as we
have already done in Scotland. But if the law is repealed, that opportunity
would be lost to us, which of course is what the pro-hunting lobby wants.
So, in fact, Mr Barrington, the “libertarian arguments and the many millions
of pounds spent in support of this legislation” that you mention should
surely lead the pro-hunting lobby to abandon any call for repeal, and
concentrate on improving the current legislation. But that is not what they
want. They don’t want to improve the Act, do they? They want to get rid of
it, and instead bring in a new law that protects hunters rather than
wildlife. We could well call their “middle way” solution the “Hunters
Protection Bill”.
"Because of the Act, foxes are being 'shot out' (made extinct)
as they 'can't be hunted'."
Firstly, pro-hunting people often reinforce their pro-hunt stand by cavalier
statements like this devoid of any evidence. If it is true that there are no
longer foxes in certain localities, such as one mentioned by a friend of Mr
Barrington, it could be for many reasons, and it is almost certain that if
this friend is convinced he or she knows the exact reasons, he or she is
wrong.
It is likely that illegal hunting disguised as trail hunting may have
contributed to it, as trail hunts continue to hunt and kill foxes, and then
lie about it. It could be mange too, a disease that has severely affected
fox populations. But it could also be irresponsible people with guns,
perhaps members of the Countryside Alliance or the British Association of
Shooting and Conservation (or perhaps just farmers), shooting anything that
moves in the name of “wildlife management”. Most likely, though, is that it
is simply a tall tale.
Mr Barrington’s statement that “The story is one that mirrors what happened
shortly after the Hunting Act was passed, when tens of thousands of hares
were shot on former hunting and coursing estates” is another of those tall
tales. There is no evidence to support such a statement. But even if there
was, that could also be an example of the length pro-hunting people would go
to in order to prove their points. Remember, those that hunt, shoot, poison
or snare wildlife are basically the same people. People that say that
wildlife belongs to them, and they know how to manage it. People that say
that they should be left alone to do it how they see fit. People Mr
Barrington’s employers represent.
Remember what happened with the 2001 foot and mouth disease epidemic?
Hunting was banned and research proved that this had no significant effect
on the fox population. Most foxes, before and after the ban, were killed by
methods other than hunting.
"The 'status' of animals formerly hunted had changed to being
'simply a target for gangs of poachers and so the easiest solution was to
get rid of it'."
This is the most baffling statement from Mr Barrington’s article, and is,
frankly, ridiculous. He is implying that those people who (erroneously, by
the way) consider foxes, deer or hares as pests, acquired this view after
the ban was enacted, not before. He is implying that before the ban, the
farmers that allowed a hunt to chase foxes on their land considered foxes as
lovely creatures that need to be preserved and not harmed, but the same
farmer after the ban considers them now pest and vermin that need to be
exterminated, so he would allow shooters in now.
Or perhaps he is saying that before the ban poachers would not enter the
land of a farmer that allowed the hunt on his or her land, but after the ban
they trespassed - even though there was nothing to prevent them from doing
so before. Nonsense!
"Do anti-hunt organisations like the League Against Cruel Sports
'accept any form of wildlife management'?"
The answer is “no” in most cases. Based on the available scientific
evidence, we recommend that “no management” is the best solution as species
such as foxes self-regulate and in reality they do not really do much
damage, so attempts to reduce the population may be futile. If you remove a
fox another will replace it very soon, and the new one is most likely to be
more problematic as it is likely to be more inexperienced and know the area
less (so it will venture more into places “it should not be”).
Research has already shown how little foxes contribute to lamb predation,
and that it is likely that when a shepherd finds evidence of a fox eating a
lamb, this may be because the lamb died from other causes and the fox is
just being a scavenger. So, if the damage is so minimal, and removing foxes
makes the problem worse, “doing nothing” may be the best course of action.
In fact, due to the fact the foxes predate on rabbits which are seen as a
serious agricultural problem, we could say that keeping foxes on your land
with as little disturbance as possible may be your best “wildlife
management” method against so-called pests.
If for some reason people feel compelled to do something, there are plenty
of non-lethal methods we could advocate, such as exclusion fences, novel
objects, shepherding, guardian animals, repellent substances, etc. Many of
these methods have proven their effectiveness for hundreds of years,
sometimes even millennia.
“How do anti-hunt organisations square the support for
‘rewilding’ with their opposition to hunting?”
Easily. As you know, all ecosystems, and all of its species, evolve. Life on
Earth is very good at “adapting” and “evolving”…as long as you give it a
chance to use “natural selection”. Rewilding is giving Nature the chance to
manage “wildlife” as it sees fit, adapting it to the current changes and
challenges. Hunting is “intervening” and not letting nature find its
balance. Let a fox be a fox and find its own place in Nature. Let a hare be
a hare and don’t mess with its life. Let Nature manage itself.
“Why are kills by the wolf and the lynx acceptable when a kill
using dogs is unacceptable?”
Because the lynx and the wolf are part of Nature but the man-made pack of
hounds is not. Besides, wolves were never predators of foxes. They may have
killed some occasionally, but that would be rare. Foxes are predators, not
prey, and they have not evolved to be chased for long distances.
Before humans arrived, if a wolf chased a fox, the fox would have gone to
ground and that would be the end of it. The wolf would not have dug it up.
In hunting with hounds, when the fox goes to ground a terrierman is called
so he can use a terrier (smaller than a wolf) to enter the fox den and bolt
the fox out so the chase can continue. Completely unnatural! And as far as
the lynx is concerned, they are ambush hunters; they don’t chase as dogs do.
I hope I've covered all the questions raised in Mr Barrington's article. If
any MPs or decision makers wish to ask me for more detail, please get in
touch.
The pro-hunt propaganda has never been weaker, and this will help us to keep
the ban.
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