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By Derek Mathias - 12 Mar 2010

No, in a criminal court the judge and jury are not evil...unless they punish the guilty by making innocents suffer. Then they ARE considered evil.

Other examples I have discovered are Deuteronomy 22:28-29 -- "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her."


2 Samuel 12:11 -- This is what the LORD says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.’


2 Samuel 12:15-18 And the LORD struck the child that Uriah’s wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. David therefore besought God for the child. … And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died.


Exodus 12:29 -- At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon.

These are all examples of God punishing the guilty by abusing the innocent, are they not? The innocent rape victim is forced to marry her rapist (I know two rape victims. For them, NOTHING would be more horrifying than being forced to live with their own rapists for the rest of their lives). And it was David who offended God, not his wives, yet God punished David by having someone rape his wives...who were entirely innocent! And David's child had done nothing wrong, yet God made him sick so that he suffered for a week and then died. And it was Pharaoh and the Egyptians who offended God, but God punished them by taking it out on their firstborn males, many of whom had to be innocent babies and children who had done absolutely nothing to deserve such punishment.

If this is justice...then I have NO understanding of justice whatsoever. Doing good is about protecting the innocent, not abusing them! Surely you agree! So what am I to make of God when I read these passages. He's supposed to be the ultimate good being...yet I, a simple human whom God considers a sinful being, have done nothing that even begins to compare with such evil. How is this possible?

All the ministers I've spoken to say God is all-knowing, since it's a natural consequence of being all-powerful. And the Bible reveals this in various places, like in 1 John 3:20, Hebrews 4:13 and Psalm 139:4. Which means God didn't have to "hope" Adam wouldn't sin. He KNEW Adam would sin unless he did something to change Adam beforehand...yet he did nothing to change him. Even still, God didn't have to be all-knowing to know Adam would sin unknowingly, since Adam didn't know the difference between good and evil until AFTER he ate the fruit.

I have to disagree that Lucifer thought he could do anything. If he wanted to defeat God, he would have willed God dead. When that didn't happen, he would have known conclusively that he was not all-powerful, or otherwise his will would have been done. Thus he knew he was not as powerful as God and that he could never hope to defeat God. Surely no test in history has been simpler.

You say we know God is who he says he is because he has shown us many things that prove it. I'm sorry, but how is that evidence when we know God is able to deceive people?

1 Kings 22:23 -- So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 -- For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

Ezekiel 14:9 -- And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet.

If God deceived prophets--regardless of the reason--then he is capable of deception. And if he is capable of deception, how can you trust anything he says? After all, wouldn't an all-knowing being who is also evil be able to lie so convincingly that YOU would believe him?

This pattern of evidence against God is becoming stronger and stronger. I need some evidence to prove he truly is good...and simply telling me to just trust that he is good isn't good enough. The evidence for God being evil is becoming overwhelming. This is scary!

And I must also disagree that God will "restore the Earth." In Genesis 8:21 God says "Never again will I curse the ground because of man … never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done." Only later the Bible makes it clear God WILL destroy the Earth again: 2 Peter 3:10-11 "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. … everything will be destroyed in this way."

Besides this being another example of God not telling the truth, his actions are not restoration, but bringing about its utter destruction. And bringing it back to my original point, it's an example of God killing ALL the innocent animals...again!

When I read the Bible I was supposed to find God's goodness, love and justice. But instead I'm finding cruelty, injustice, abuse and evil. I almost feel as if I'm being punked, and someone's given me a fake Bible they filled with sick quotes in order to blow my mind. But every Bible and even every translation I read shows the same creepy things. It's like being unable to awaken from a bad dream....

Derek Mathias

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