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Comments by C. L. (Chuck) Troupe - 29 Mar 2007

My Response To Bernard Coombs
C. L. (Chuck) Troupe

I can see this is going the same direction as my piece on evolution some time back.

The piece on surviving physical death was submitted in good faith, citing numerous Scriptural references – showing the overwhelming majority of Bible verses supporting the doctrine of the continuity of human consciousness after physical death.

I made a comment about the eternal condition of those who die in their sins (by not accepting – by faith – the shed blood of Jesus Christ as the propitiation for their sins).

I am not going to make this very long. Most of Mr. Coombs' responsive remarks are little more than the wishful thinking and revisionist theology of universalism – an error that has been around for centuries and discredited by every reputable Bible scholar on the planet.

I will cite a one of Mr. Coombs' remarks in red fonts (as he did mine), and then use the standard font color for my responses. Here below Mr. Coombs gives his opinion on the Biblical truth that those who die in their sins (without faith in Christ) will not only NOT be saved, but will be separated from God for eternity.

Well! Mr. Troupe you are totally wrong. This is one of the most blasphemous statements that most denominational Christians believe because they want to think they are the only ones that are going to be ultimately saved – how tragic a lie this is.

Well! Mr. Coombs (and all Universalists everywhere), please allow me to show you where I am getting my "blasphemous" statements. Read the words of Jesus Christ Himself. . . .

John 8:24: "…I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins…"

Here we have the Lord Jesus Christ telling what WILL HAPPEN to those who do not believe on Christ. Oh, but thank God we have the genius Universalists who know more about these things than Jesus – NOT!!!

I'm sorry, but there is simply no escaping this! In order to be a Universalist you must believe that Jesus of Nazareth is a liar and a blasphemer.

Actually, in all fairness, just a liar. Mr. Coombs obviously does not know what the word "blasphemy" means either.

But back to the issue of universalism. At the very end of this present world (in the book of Revelation) chapters 20 and 21 the language is clear, plain and simple – even to the feeble minded:

Revelation 20:10: "…And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:15: "…And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire…"

Revelation 21:8: "…But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death…"

This lines up with the teachings of Jesus through the Gospels, and the doctrine of the Apostles of Christ all through the Epistles. Plain, simple and pure Holy Scripture!

I am 65 years old, perhaps not as old as Mr. Coombs, but old enough to have seen these same old errors, over and over and over again! And I don't think I will ever cease to be amazed at the depth and commitment of those who are so deeply and fervently in love with their ignorance!

Mr. Coombs gave such an eloquent presentation of it in his short lesson on the word "all." He even attempted to spell it in Greek. By the way Mr. Coombs, prefixes, cases and tenses and endings do not change the basic meaning of a word – not even in the Greek. The word "all" does in fact mean all. Everything. All of it! Just like you said.

Your problem is not understanding that even the word "all" can have limitations. I will cite this portion of Scripture, which you also cited but obviously do not understand.

I am referring of course to 1 Corinthians 15:22: "…For as in Adam ALL die, so in Christ ALL will be made alive.

Here is the thing that totally amazes me. How can anyone (who is NOT a moron) be convinced that this means that "all" people (or in your case, all things: people, cows, pigs, lizards, crab grass, pond scum, liberals, atheists, rocks, dirt clods, etc…) will inherit eternal life?

Can you not read, and do you not see the word "in" employed in this text? It plainly says that "…all IN Adam will die…" We (humans only) are "all" IN Adam!

How did this happen? How is it that we are "all" IN Adam? The answer: We are "all" (every human being ever born – except one) IN Adam by way of our first birth.

So, "all" of us, who are only born once, will die.

But the Scripture says that those IN Christ will live!!!

And we get to be IN Christ the same way we got to be IN Adam. By birth! The 2nd birth, or as Jesus said it in John chapter three, "…born again…"

Or better yet, let me state it this way: All of us who are only born once will die twice! But all those who are born twice will only die once – and perhaps not at all!

I don't think you are capable of understanding that last statement Mr. Coombs, but you will be totally blessed beyond measure if your ever find out what it means.

Let's take another look at one of the Scripture verses Mr. Coombs cited:

Luke 3:6: "…And all flesh shall see the salvation of God..."

Does this mean that "all" will be saved – whether they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ or not? Why not do some cross-referencing and see where Isaiah wrote of this very same thing namely, that God's salvation would be extended not just to Israel, but to "all" the nations.

It most certainly is NOT saying that "all" shall be saved regardless of whether they receive Christ or not.

Joel's prophecy also stated that God would pour out of His Spirit upon "all" flesh" but as you read through the New Testament you will see (if you are willing to see) that only those who put their trust IN Christ can receive His Spirit.

That is clear, plain and simple. All one needs to do is to stop reading preconceived ideas INTO the Scriptures, and start getting the mind of God OUT of the Scriptures.

The Bible emphatically teaches that only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. And there is not one place in all of Scripture that tells us any different.

To carry this on any further would be like trying to describe purple to a person who has been blind from birth. It is not possible. You may continue to believe and teach what ever you please, and I will continue to believe and teach God's Truth.

IN Christ,

C.L. (Chuck) Troupe

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