Abortion and Animals Rights: The Connection
By Sammy Brown - 16 Jan 2011
Once again I will set my response apart by beginning them with "Sammy Replies:"
Thank you for your reply, and like you, we appreciate the fact that we have the right to discuss this issue openly, even if we differ.
Sammy Replies: You can give thanks to God and men and women who fought and killed other humans for this freedom to have this discussion. I feel you are about to ternate this discussion as has every Christian I have talked to does. I feel this way because I asked you a number of questions that you either did not answer, side stepped, or gave a rather vague answer. I seem to ask questions they either have no answer for or can only use their personal thoughts on the matter. I pray this is not the case here, but I fear that it is.
We believe the problem with our difference in interpretation/understanding of the term "pro-life" has to do with trying to find a common ground. Part of our understand is Biblically based, and the fact that there is no death in heaven and there was no death in Eden, and passages such as Isaiah 11:6-9 where there is no death because neither humans nor animals will hurt or destroy, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. Thus, we look at all unnatural death as counter to life and the will/knowledge of God.
Sammy Replies: We do have common ground. We both believe that it is wrong to take the life of an unborn child, hence murder. We both believe that it is wrong to tortured either a Human or an animal. (I fully understand that Humans are also animals) You say that part of your understanding is Biblically based. All of my beliefs on this matter is founded in Biblical Scriptures.
With this understanding of being pro-life we see no difference between aborting a human baby or raising an animal for slaughter.
We used to think of retaliating against aggressors, which included my 6 years in the Air Force (1956-62), and particularly if it involved my family. However, we no longer think that way, and believe that it is better to die than take another life, and rely upon the Lord to deal with both the situation and the aggressor.
Sammy Replies: Should things continue as they are today you may well get the chance to put that belief to the test. I too agree that God will deal with the situation as well as the aggressor. How He will do this I can not say for sure. However sooner or later He will intervene.
Just as parents will sometimes allow their errant children to do something wrong that they might learn for themselves that the patents were correct, and have the children freely return to doing things correctly, so God does the same think, as the very clear example of 1 Samuel 8 points out.
Sammy Replies: God does not force his will on anyone. God has given us some six hundred, fifteen commandments teaching us how to obey the two great commandments. The Israelites chose to have a human king over them rather than a spiritual king. This is something which has not changed even unto this day. People want something tangible, something they can see, fell, and hear with their ears, and that is not the way of the Creator.
Your statement of faith sure sounds like your a Christian or a Messianic Jew.
Sammy Replies: As I stated I am not Christian and a Messianic Jew is a Christian. Also I am not Muslim although I pray four times a day, bed time, when I wake up, mid day (not Noon), and at sun set and I do so by prostrating my self facing East (Israel).
God tells us His will, and what He wants us to be like.
Sammy Replies: How?
God rested on the seventh day and stated that the day should be holy unto Him, but when humans began naming days, they also set aside the seventh day, which we now call Saturday. There is also something else very interesting about the commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy, and that is that it is also the only commandment that Jesus didn't repeat and that was never mentioned in the Gospels. There is much more to this.
Sammy Replies: Pardon me but I can not find a passage where it states that the Sabbath is only Holy to God. I did however find a scripture in Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: . . .
See Matthew 22:34-40 for one of the records of what Jesus said about the greatest commandment.
Sammy Replies: Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Therefore if you do these two Great Commandments you do well.
We agree about the translation of kill and murder, but the real meaning is premeditated killing which really goes back to the beginning of our discussion about pro-life. If a person plans to take the life (kill) of another living being, it becomes murder.
Sammy Replies: I will ask this question one more time. Would the Creator, God. tell His children to do anything which He disapproves of?