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Loving Nature

To us, a person cannot fully love God unless he or she also loves God's creation:

whether it's expressed in the form of Mary's painting at the top of the page, or in Carol Vito's photo of this winter wonderland,

or through the gentle beauty of this mother and child drinking water,

or the beauty of this spotted touch-me-not,

or through this cat and rat who prove that Isaiah's prophecy of a peaceable kingdom (11:6-9) is a reality,

or through this peaceful encounter with a mouse in a tree.

Comments by Maynard S. Clark - 11 Jan 2003

I think that Dr. Preece brings up an interesting question AND moral dilemma for Christian ethical vegetarians: To trust God, would we need to trust God to redeem nature on His own, and not through our efforts, or must we overcome nature (as I think Rod Preece wrongfully claims).

My understanding of the Christian approach is that Christians worship the God who gave Creation, and in nature (seen as Creation) thank God for their lives, their breath, the resources of life and health (including pure air, pure organic non-GMO food, etc.), and their opportunity to good in faithfulness toward that God, the Father of Lights, from whom (they believe) all good has ultimately been derived.

Trusting that God, one does not feel anxious for one's life, and thus there is no problem being vegetarian -- yea, even vegan according to the original human diet (as Christians think they see revealed in the first chapter of Genesis, in the front of their Bibles).

Indeed, as I understand it, Christians see our present day-to-day lives in line with the writings of the Apostle Paul, who tells us that we have today, in these "earthen vessels," "an earnest of our inheritance," the faith (which comes from God, not primarily from inside us, where we have a response, but not the faith itself -- which the NT in the Bible teaches us comes itself from God -- and that even saving faith is God's gift, and that those who have that saving faith are indeed God's elect. Also, such Christians see vegetarian living as looking forward to the full redemption of all Creation, not founding themselves, grounding themselves in "the Curse" or the present world's system ("kosmos" in Greek).

Is that how list members see things, or is Rod correct, that you believe that we can only be "Christian" by destroying what God has given us because you think (so Rod tells us) that God will NEVER deliver creation from "the curse" of predation, imposing upon the chaos that we discover inductively the order we progressively agree AMONG OURSELVES to impose upon it, so that WE become "the creators" and hope instead to look out upon what we expect to eventually have in front of ensuing generations "a new heaven and a new earth," where future generations will look out upon what they and their forebears have creating, gloating in smug self-satisfaction that "it is good"?

msc

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