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Sin and the Fallenness of
Creation (Part 4)
A commentary by: Michael Shaw
The next passage I would like to look at is Luke 10:18 where we read the words of Jesus himself, "He replied, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven"
At first glance it would appear that Jesus is sighting for us proof that an angel called Lucifer did indeed fall from grace. "That God had cursed Lucifer, changed him into Satan and cast him out of heaven, causing Satan to fall and thus be confined to hell.
There is no dispute among those calling themselves Christians that this passage from Luke is attributed to Christ. And surely Jesus cannot be mistaken, surely Jesus would not lie to us, Thus it should be obvious that Lucifer did in fact fall from heaven.
But wait; is this what Jesus is really saying here? Is Jesus really recounting the Miltonian myth or have Christians simply assumed this to be the case, because their minds have been clouded over, conditioned by the false teachings of man.
Let me state first and most emphatically, that Jesus is not recounting the story of Lucifer's fall. Yes, it is true that Jesus says he saw Satan fall from heaven, however, we must approach this passage with an unbiased mind. I would suggest that we approach this passage like detectives. Let us examine only the facts and not read into it our own opinions.
Example, when we look closely and carefully at Luke 10:8 we see that nowhere does Jesus say "when" he saw Satan fall. Jesus makes no mention that this sighting took place before the creation of man or at his creation. The reason that I say "before" or "at" the creation of man is because there are two versions of the story of the fall. ONE is more Christian where Satan tried to take over Gods Kingdom out of pride, and TWO, there is another story which is more similar to the Islamic version where Shaytan or Iblis refused to bow down to Adam as commanded by God.
Whether Satan fell before we were created or right after we were created, still allows Satan time to enter the garden and tempt Eve and subsequently Adam through Eve. Further, as it relates to our discussion, Jesus did not indicate that he saw Satan fall at any of these times. So to assume that Jesus is referring to one of these mythic times, is certainly not academic.
Furthermore, Jesus does not say in Luke that Satan fell because of a failed attempt to take over heaven or as a result of failing to prostrate before Adam. Jesus makes absolutely no reference to any fall of Satan from that of an Angel to that of a Demon, he only says he saw Satan fall from Heaven to earth.
Also, Jesus at no time refers to Satan as Lucifer. if indeed Jesus was trying to teach or even recap the story of Lucifer's fall here, one would think it appropriate that Jesus would make note of Satan's original name. Of course he cannot do this, as we have already shown that the name Lucifer does not really exist.
In other words, if Jesus is really telling us about Lucifer's fall he would certainly have said something more like this. "I saw Lucifer fall from his Heavenly position and witnessed his transformation into a devil and expulsion to Hell." The fact remains that Jesus said no such thing.
Now before we draw our conclusion regarding Luke 10:18 let us take a second to recap: (1) Jesus does not state when this fall to earth occurred. Notice it says fall to earth and not hell. (2) Jesus at no time gives a reason for Satan coming to earth - he does not say Satan was cursed nor does he say Satan fell because of a spoiled attempt or over throw God's kingdom, or that he would not bow down to Adam. (3) At no time does Jesus refer to Satan as Lucifer. This would seem to confirm what we already know that there never was such a creature as Lucifer.
I would conclude and suggest to you, that in Luke 10:18 Jesus is not referring to a type of Miltonian fall, but rather, he is simply stating that he saw Satan descend to earth to fulfill his God given mission of tempter and tester of mankind.
Rather than the story of Lucifer's fall, I see Jesus simply telling us that Satan came to earth to do his job, just as Jesus did. (ONE FINAL) option is that since Jesus is the beginning and the end, perhaps he was speaking futuristicly-however, I do not accept it for a number of reasons which do not relate to our topic at hand, ONE thing I can say with out any doubt is that the passage of Luke 10:18 has nothing to do with Lucifer or his fall.
Now remember, just because Luke 10:18 uses the word fall, does not mean it is referring to a fall of Nature or Position. For Example, in Rev. 9:1 we read; "The fifth angel sounded his trumpet and I saw a star that had fallen to earth. This Star was given the key to the shaft of the abyss."
Most Theologians would agree that the star mentioned here is Jesus. Yet, it states that Jesus fell. Surely the word fell here does not mean to imply that Jesus lost his position as son of God, or Saviour of mankind. By reading the rest of the book of Rev. we see indeed that this passage in 9:1 does refer to Jesus. Final proof for this is found in Rev 22:16 where we read. "I Jesus have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches, I am the Root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star." (By the way the morning star throughout history has been referred to as Lucifer and yet, here is refers to Jesus. There are some esoteric stories that go with this - however, we will leave that for another discussion.)
Since no one would suggest that Jesus fell simply by reading the word fell in Rev 9:1 neither should anyone assume that Luke 10:18 refers to Satan falling in any other way that he descended to earth to do his job.
As to what job he was to do is hard to say. However, we should consider this: According to scripture Satan has always gone back and forth to heaven, we see this in Job 1:6&7 "Now there was a day when the sons (the angels) of God came to resent themselves before the Lord, and Satan the adversary and accuser) also came among them (Rev 12:10). The Lord said to Satan, "from where did you come?" Then Satan answered the Lord, "From going to and fro on the earth and from walking up and down on it." (AMPLIFIED)
This shows us that Satan was obviously in heaven at God's court after the so called fall of both himself and Adam and Eve.
We find Satan in heaven again, working hard at his job as accuser, when we read the story of Joshua brought before God in Zechariah 3:1-2 ......"Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. The Lord said to Satan, "the Lord rebuke you Satan. The Lord has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire"
Now if Satan has come to earth in the past and returned to heaven, what is it that Jesus is referring to in Luke 10:18? I would suggest, that Jesus is talking about when Satan came to earth to test Jesus and prepare the Anti-Christs. There is more than one.
There is no doubt that Jesus came to earth to fulfill a vital mission. Jesus was to teach us and take upon himself the curse of death.
From scripture we know that Satan had to assist Jesus in this mission: (A) Satan had to tempt Jesus to make sure he was ready for the mission (Luke 4:1-13); (B) Satan had to try Simon Peter to make sure he was ready for his job (Luke 22:31,32); (C) Satan had to enter into Judas, in order that all might be fulfilled (Luke 22:3). Further, Satan still assists Jesus as we see in 1st Cor. 5:5 and 1st Tim. 1:20.
Therefore, in conclusion, I feel it is safe to say that when Jesus says he saw Satan fall to earth, it was for this purpose, that he might assist Jesus by trying and testing those involved.
Even if my conclusion turns out not to be correct, one thing we can say for sure--Jesus was not referring to any Luciferian fall when he said in Luke 10:18, that he saw Satan fall from heaven. For no such event ever took place, and it is not scriptural.
End of part four. If anyone has questions, I will be glad to answer, but I am not
posting to argue.
Mike Shaw email@example.com
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